i'm not so sure whether you are concerned about civil rights in the prisoners for the fact that guantÁnamo bay itself is something the u.s. should not keep open as the german gentleman has said. my question is, which is set? closing guantÁnamo bay or giving justice to the people in the 186 people. when you go into that track, everybody loses track of what's really the issue. >> i don't understand the distinction. it's certainly unjust to hold people indefinitely without hearings or cause an guantÁnamo as a symbol of that. he tried to close out and get them out of there. >> i don't want to get into an argument. >> your first point about the cost, not economic you can put a dollar figure, but the economic cost to america, the intangible costs. not too long ago, abu haunts the extra day from the u.k. to america -- our closest ally in the war on terror in our closest ally in its promise before they would extradite, we would send him to guantÁnamo and prosecute them in a military commission, which she meets a statement about one time ago in military commissions and we have to promise her clo